Man with Camera: War in essence, is a kind of smoke-screen, for other things, you know.
Interviewer: What do you think they’re trying to do?
Man with Camera: Well, as a famous politician once said, ‘it’s the economy’.
Interviewer: ‘Stupid’… That’s what he said, but – is it? … It’s not ‘just’ the economy.
Man with Camera: I think actually it is ‘just’ the economy, because I don’t really hear anybody here that has problems other than, ones that is to do with monetary or to do with land. In essence it’s the same thing. So, you know, they can dress it up in moral issues, and religious issues, and what ever they want. But ultimately what we’re dealing with, we’re dealing with commercial power.
Man with Camera: Power, influence, money. You know, the ability to move big crowds, and use big crowds. So, I dunno. This is interesting. This has certainly made an interesting piece of footage.
Oh I think for everyone. There’s millions of people out here with cameras, and you know
Interviewer: I think it’s going to make a change, you know. Some kind of change.
Man with Camera: Oh yeah. I wouldn’t be here if I didn’t think it was a necessity. And I’m glad to see that there’s a lot of people that came down, as well.
Person 1: Well, we’ve come today really, cos, just because there’s supposed to be a ‘War on Terrorism’, and there’s no sort of emphasis on sorting out the problems behind why terrorism’s occurred.
And the human heart is such that unless you put in strategies to actually change the poverty, and the structures in the Western developing world, and sort out Palestine situation, you’re just going to perpetuate a generation of hatred.
And it all comes back to poverty, and sort of, you know, ecological issues.
Well the journalists sit on, sort of ‘absolute truth’, and say, ‘oh, so-and-so’s not speaking’, but then they take themselves beyond morality. So I think in a sense you’ve just got to, go with your ‘gut’ conscience really, haven’t you?
Person 2: Tony Blair came to Sheffield, where I live and work, two days ago, and refused to answer any questions whatsoever from the people of Sheffield.
I put it to Tony Blair, I asked him whether he thought Rupert Murdoch was a conspiracy theorist, er, he didn’t have an answer… I asked him whether there was anything that he wouldn’t go along with George Bush in doing, and he didn’t have an answer… I even asked him if he enjoyed his trip to Sheffield, and he didn’t have an answer for that. Tony Blair is locked into a world where anything he doesn’t want to see, anything he doesn’t want to hear, doesn’t exist.
The secret of selling anything is to sell yourself on it first, and I think Tony Blair has sold himself so completely on his moral righteousness, that he is incapable of believing that he might be wrong.
I think he genuinely believes that he has a moral purpose for going in to Iraq. He’s talked himself into that; he’s surrounded himself by people who have created a logic, which within itself works. And which they won’t look at anything which doesn’t fit with their logic. They get angry with you for pointing out. They say, ‘of course war is bad, of course war kills people, do you think we don’t know that?’, erm but there’s no way to get through to them, that what they’re doing isn’t, kind of, some moral crusade for the benefit of humanity, that George Bush isn’t the saviour of the Universe.
Well, what is New Order? It’s erm, the idea that there’s one model for the world. That either you model yourself on America and you’re right, or you don’t, and you’re wrong – and you’re probably a terrorist, or you’re a friend of a terrorist, or you’re harbouring a terrorist, or your a supporter of a terrorist. There is no… Yeah, ‘you’re either with us or against us’. It’s this idea, that there is only one right way.
Interviewer: How democratic is that?
Person 2: <smiles>You tell me. How democratic is that?